running copper - Reef-Geeks

tedio1 · Newbie-Geek

I have a fish only tank up and running... was thinking of dosing with copper and keeping it that way. Are there any disadvantages of doing this?

chris&barb · Lost

Yes copper can mess with fish. Long term exposure messes with their kidneys or liver (cant remember which)

Are you having some sort of problem that you think you need to add copper?

tedio1 · Newbie-Geek

I think the tang brought ich into my tank. There is no live rock, so just thought copper would do the trick

chris&barb · Lost

You could treat with copper but i thought you were wanting to run copper all the time.

Im not a big fan of metals in marine aquariums but copper will get rid of ich. http://www.ces.purdue.edu/extmedia/AS/AS-459.pdf

rgrking · Spawning

I would try something other than copper for ich on the tang. I've had it a couple times and never once did I use copper.

tedio1 · Newbie-Geek

what treatment did you use? I am open to other ideas

billrob71 · Will work for CLAMS

I have a fish dip that I treat fish, I don't like treating the whole tank but even a simple fresh water dip will help with ich if you can get the fish out.

billrob71 · Will work for CLAMS

I have this one on hand for treatment

Aquarium External Parasite Control: Rid-Ich+

inlander · Big-Geek

If ya want to do something on a long term add a little finely crushed fresh garlic to the food.

JMO

Pat B · Geektacular

Never did understand why garlic helps, but it is working for me(knocks on wood). Maybe ich doesn't like itialian food???

inlander · Big-Geek

rgrking · Spawning

would garlic powder work?

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Originally Posted by inlander

If ya want to do something on a long term add a little finely crushed fresh garlic to the food.

JMO

tedio1 · Newbie-Geek

I have some of that ich treatment and will try it. My triggers are going to love the italian menu from now on. Thanks for the help people!

Barbara · Geekette

so tedio.........how is the tang doing? did you treat it with anything? did you add an "italian" menu?

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Originally Posted by Pat B

Never did understand why garlic helps, but it is working for me(knocks on wood). Maybe ich doesn't like itialian food???

......I think not!

tedio1 · Newbie-Geek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbara

so tedio.........how is the tang doing? did you treat it with anything? did you add an "italian" menu?

......I think not!

Tang made it through!!!

Bad news is that the rest of the gang were paying the price. So, I brought the tang to my LFS where the guys are really nice and told them the scenario. They now have an awesome addition to their store and I have ZERO.

Tank is empty now just running the pump.

Question is;

Should I be using live rock from the start to help the cycle again and keep everything balanced? My first tank (reef tank) I used live sand and rock from the get go and it's doing great. Takes care of itself and water changes are very rare.

This fish only idea is stumping me......

Suggestions????

chris&barb · Lost

IMO yes, you want to add the live rock from the start and let the tank run for a month or so. Watch the nitrogen cycle run its course and after that slowly add live things.

estanoche · I <3 the LEFT COAST!

Also, since you had ich in the tank - you will want to put off adding fish for at least 8-10 weeks - so in that time, you can add rock and sand, and help build up the good bacteria and stabilize your system

Pat B · Geektacular

I hate waiting too, but I think you will have a better system in the long run.

tedio1 · Newbie-Geek

waiting does suck but losing hundreds of dollars is suckier.... LOL

Barbara · Geekette

GREAT advice tedio.........waiting does suck.......BUT it's perfect time for planning!

.......research through the forum the livestock you want to add and even plan your rock formations outside of the tank.........these next 8-10 weeks could be fun afterall!

[1 (permalink)] Posted by tedio1 07-19-2010, 12:39 PM	Newbie-Geek
running copper I have a fish only tank up and running... was thinking of dosing with copper and keeping it that way. Are there any disadvantages of doing this?	Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 73 Gameroom cash: $27000 Rep Power: 4
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[5 (permalink)] Posted by rgrking 07-19-2010, 02:30 PM	Spawning
I would try something other than copper for ich on the tang. I've had it a couple times and never once did I use copper. __________________ RLTW 180 Gallon Mixed Reef Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 Friend me up on Facebook Glen King	Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sullivan, Missouri, USA Posts: 10,000 Gameroom cash: $1656070 Rep Power: 164
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[7 (permalink)] Posted by billrob71 07-19-2010, 02:53 PM	Will work for CLAMS
I have a fish dip that I treat fish, I don't like treating the whole tank but even a simple fresh water dip will help with ich if you can get the fish out. __________________ Why is the rum always gone	Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Delaware Posts: 6,413 Gameroom cash: $1737675 Rep Power: 94
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[8 (permalink)] Posted by billrob71 07-19-2010, 02:56 PM	Will work for CLAMS
I have this one on hand for treatment Aquarium External Parasite Control: Rid-Ich+ __________________ Why is the rum always gone	Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Delaware Posts: 6,413 Gameroom cash: $1737675 Rep Power: 94
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[10 (permalink)] Posted by Pat B 07-19-2010, 03:05 PM	Geektacular
Never did understand why garlic helps, but it is working for me(knocks on wood). Maybe ich doesn't like itialian food??? __________________ "But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.” Joshua 24:15b "HIS word is in my heart like a fire, a fire shut up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in; indeed, I cannot." Jeremiah 20:9b *Click on the ticker for the build thread.*	Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Camden, De Posts: 2,560 Gameroom cash: $1240165 Rep Power: 65
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[2 (permalink)] Posted by chris&barb 07-19-2010, 01:04 PM	Lost
Yes copper can mess with fish. Long term exposure messes with their kidneys or liver (cant remember which) Are you having some sort of problem that you think you need to add copper?	Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: De Posts: 12,272 Gameroom cash: $3501040 Rep Power: 100
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[3 (permalink)] Posted by tedio1 07-19-2010, 01:56 PM	Newbie-Geek
I think the tang brought ich into my tank. There is no live rock, so just thought copper would do the trick	Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 73 Gameroom cash: $27000 Rep Power: 4
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[4 (permalink)] Posted by chris&barb 07-19-2010, 02:25 PM	Lost
You could treat with copper but i thought you were wanting to run copper all the time. Im not a big fan of metals in marine aquariums but copper will get rid of ich. http://www.ces.purdue.edu/extmedia/AS/AS-459.pdf	Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: De Posts: 12,272 Gameroom cash: $3501040 Rep Power: 100
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[6 (permalink)] Posted by tedio1 07-19-2010, 02:44 PM	Newbie-Geek
what treatment did you use? I am open to other ideas	Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 73 Gameroom cash: $27000 Rep Power: 4
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[9 (permalink)] Posted by inlander 07-19-2010, 03:00 PM	Big-Geek
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[11 (permalink)] Posted by inlander 07-19-2010, 03:17 PM	Big-Geek
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[13 (permalink)] Posted by tedio1 07-19-2010, 07:25 PM	Newbie-Geek
I have some of that ich treatment and will try it. My triggers are going to love the italian menu from now on. Thanks for the help people!	Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 73 Gameroom cash: $27000 Rep Power: 4
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[16 (permalink)] Posted by chris&barb 07-23-2010, 10:11 AM	Lost
IMO yes, you want to add the live rock from the start and let the tank run for a month or so. Watch the nitrogen cycle run its course and after that slowly add live things.	Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: De Posts: 12,272 Gameroom cash: $3501040 Rep Power: 100
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[17 (permalink)] Posted by estanoche 07-23-2010, 11:01 AM	I <3 the LEFT COAST!
Also, since you had ich in the tank - you will want to put off adding fish for at least 8-10 weeks - so in that time, you can add rock and sand, and help build up the good bacteria and stabilize your system __________________ SAY NO TO FISH STICKS!! Put screened and vented lids on your tanks! My 80 Gal. Reef Tank Build: So this is where all my money goes My 25 Gal. QT/Angler Cube: A place for my money to QT/grow out Member/VP of Spokane Coeur d Alene Reef Society Friend me up on FB too!	Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,799 Gameroom cash: $1235065 Rep Power: 116
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[18 (permalink)] Posted by Pat B 07-23-2010, 12:44 PM	Geektacular
I hate waiting too, but I think you will have a better system in the long run. __________________ "But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.” Joshua 24:15b "HIS word is in my heart like a fire, a fire shut up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in; indeed, I cannot." Jeremiah 20:9b *Click on the ticker for the build thread.*	Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Camden, De Posts: 2,560 Gameroom cash: $1240165 Rep Power: 65
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[19 (permalink)] Posted by tedio1 07-23-2010, 06:18 PM	Newbie-Geek
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[20 (permalink)] Posted by Barbara 07-24-2010, 01:36 PM	Geekette
GREAT advice tedio.........waiting does suck.......BUT it's perfect time for planning! .......research through the forum the livestock you want to add and even plan your rock formations outside of the tank.........these next 8-10 weeks could be fun afterall! __________________	Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,856 Gameroom cash: $4013819 Rep Power: 100
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